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Stage III and feeling lost about where to get treatment - how did you pick your center?

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So my mom was diagnosed in August and we're at that point where we have to actually decide where she's going to do chemo and everything and I'm completely overwhelmed. We've got a couple of options in Arizona and California and I have no idea what actually matters when you're comparing them.

I've been googling like crazy and reading reviews but that doesn't really tell you much? Like one place has great reviews but another one has a doctor who apparently specializes in pleural cases specifically and I don't know if that's worth driving 6 hours for or what.

Mom's stage III so we're past early intervention but the doctors keep saying treatment can still help a lot and I just... I don't want to pick wrong, you know? She's already dealing with so much and if I send her to the wrong place that's on me.

Did anyone have to make this choice? What actually mattered when you were deciding? Was it the doctor's experience, the facility itself, how close it was to home, what they charge? My insurance is covering most of it but I'm trying to understand what questions I should even be asking when I call around.

I'm a teacher so I'm used to researching stuff but this is different because it's my mom and I'm also trying to keep my job together here in Phoenix and it's just a lot right now.

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Veteran
The specialist thing matters more than you'd think, especially for pleural. I went to someone who just does mesothelioma cases and it made a difference in how they handled my surgery after chemo. Call both places and ask straight up how many meso patients they treat a year, not just reviews.
Family
That's really helpful to know, honestly. The specialist angle is what's been nagging at me but I wasn't sure if I was overthinking it. So when you called around, did they just tell you that number pretty easily or did you have to kind of push for it? I'm worried about sounding paranoid when I call, like I don't want them to think I don't trust them already.
Patient
Yeah the specialist thing is real, but also ask them straight up how many stage III cases they've actually treated and what their outcomes look like. That's the question that actually matters and a lot of places will dance around it if they don't have great numbers.
Patient
Look, I get the guilt trip you're laying on yourself but that's the wrong engine to run on. My doc at the big center here in Detroit, he wasn't the cheapest option and it meant some drives, but when I asked him point blank in February how many EPP surgeries he'd done that year he said 47. Forty-seven. The other guy said maybe 8 or 9. That number right there told me everything.

Also don't sleep on asking about their chemo protocols for stage III specifically. Like are they doing neoadjuvant before surgery or after, because that changes the whole tune-up schedule and some places have better data on what works. When I called around I found out one place was still doing older protocols and I'm glad we didn't go that route.

One more thing that nobody really talks about, ask if your mom can talk to someone who actually went through it at that center. Not a marketing person. An actual patient or their family. My surgeon set me up with another guy who had the same surgery six months before me and hearing "yeah the recovery sucked but here's what helped" was worth more than any review.
Family
That number is wild, honestly. 47 versus 8 or 9 is such a huge difference and I feel kinda dumb for not thinking to just ask that directly. I've been so focused on trying to read between the lines of reviews that I didn't think to just... ask the actual question. I'm gonna call both places tomorrow and ask about their experience with stage III specifically and how many procedures they do. And yeah the guilt thing is real, I can't really shake it even though logically I know I'm trying my best here. Thanks for being straight with me about that.
Family
My brother got diagnosed back in 2019 and we went through the same thing trying to figure out where to send him. He's in Memphis so we actually looked at places here and then St Jude and Vanderbilt up in Nashville. I get what you mean about the pressure, like you're making the wrong call gonna ruin everything.

What actually mattered for us was finding a doctor who had treated a bunch of pleural cases, not just general oncology. My brother's first doctor here kept talking about the treatment like it was all the same but when we went to see someone else who specialized in mesothelioma specifically they explained stuff totally different and had a whole different approach. That made the biggest difference honestly. The facility being fancy didn't matter as much as the doctor actually knowing what they were doing with this specific thing.

We did end up driving for appointments and it sucked but it was worth it. Gas and hotels added up but insurance covered the treatment itself which helped. I'd call both places and ask straight up how many pleural mesothelioma patients they've treated in the last year and what their outcomes looked like. Don't just ask if they do it, ask if they specialize in it. You can also ask if they work with other specialists or if it's just one doctor doing everything.

The hardest part for us wasn't picking the right place, it was just picking and then moving forward. Once we actually chose somewhere and started treatment my brother felt better because at least something was happening instead of just stressing about the decision. That might sound weird but the uncertainty was almost worse than the actual treatment.

Good luck with your mom. You're doing the research thing right.
Family
honestly the specialist thing matters, my brother's doctor knew mesothelioma inside and out and that made a real difference with his treatment plan. i'd call both places and just ask straight up how many mesothelioma patients they actually treat a year, that'll tell you a lot.
Medical Expert Response
What you're carrying right now is so heavy, and the guilt piece you mentioned, that feeling of "if I pick wrong it's on me," that one really stays with me because I hear it from family members constantly and it's one of the most painful parts of this whole thing.

So here's what I saw actually matter when families I worked with were making this call. The doctor's specific experience with pleural mesothelioma really did change outcomes in ways that general oncology expertise sometimes didn't. A patient I worked with in 2019 drove from Tucson to a specialist in Houston and her care team's familiarity with the disease meant they caught a treatment response issue early that her local team might have missed. That specificity matters more than star ratings on Zocdoc, honestly.

When families called centers to compare, the questions that cut through the noise were things like how many mesothelioma cases has this physician treated in the last two years, do they have a dedicated thoracic team, and what does care coordination look like for patients who are traveling from out of town. That last one is practical but huge, because six hours is doable if the center has systems to minimize how often you're making that drive.

The guilt piece though... if this feeling persists or starts affecting how you're functioning at work or sleeping, please talk to someone. A therapist who works with medical caregivers can help separate the decisions you can control from the ones you can't, and that distinction is everything right now. Your local cancer center may have an oncology social worker on staff who offers this at no additional cost.

You're doing right by her just by asking these questions.
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Family
Yeah, the guilt thing is exactly what's been eating at me. I keep second-guessing myself even though I know that's not rational. So when you say the pleural experience actually changes outcomes, like is that something I should push harder on when I call these places? Because one of the doctors my mom's current team mentioned does specialize in that and I've been wondering if that's just a marketing thing or if it's actually real. And honestly it helps to hear from someone who's seen this before instead of just googling "mesothelioma treatment centers" for the hundredth time at 11pm.
Family
My brother got diagnosed back in 2019 and we had to pick between Memphis and this place in Nashville that had a real good reputation for mesothelioma stuff. I get what you mean about feeling like you gotta pick perfect because honestly I felt the same way, like if I messed up the choice my brother would suffer for it.

What actually made the difference for us was that the Nashville place had a doctor who had done a ton of pleural cases, like way more than the local guys. We drove up there in March I think it was, maybe the 14th or so, and just sat in on a consultation before we committed to anything. That specialist asked questions about my brothers stuff that the Memphis doctors hadn't even thought of yet. Sometimes it's not just about the facility looking nice on their website, it's about whether the actual doctor has seen a bunch of cases like your moms.

The drive is gonna suck either way but honestly if one of those California places has a doctor who specializes in pleural that might be worth the 6 hours. Your mom's gonna be going back and forth anyway for treatment so you might as well start with somebody who really knows what they're doing with this specific thing. Call both places and ask how many pleural cases they've treated in the last year, ask if you can talk to the doctor before committing. Most of em will do a phone consult.

Don't put that on yourself though. You're doing the research, you're trying to help, that's all you can do.
Family
My brother got diagnosed about a year ago, stage II pleural, and we went through the same thing. I was driving him to appointments from Memphis so I get the stress of trying to figure out where to even start.

Honestly the specialist thing matters more than I thought it would. We went to this place first that had good reviews and nice facility and all that, but the doctor kinda felt like he was reading from a script about mesothelioma. We drove up to Nashville to see someone who specifically does pleural cases and it was night and day. He asked different questions, had a whole different treatment approach, knew about clinical trials we hadn't heard of. My brother said he actually felt like the guy knew what he was doing instead of just going through the motions.

So yeah I'd say the 6 hour drive is worth it if that doctor specializes in pleural specifically. That's what you want.

The facility stuff matters too but honestly it's secondary. Like clean hospital is clean hospital. What matters is do they have experience with your moms specific type and stage, can you actually talk to the doctor, are they willing to answer your questions without making you feel dumb. We called around before we scheduled anything and just asked them straight up like how many pleural cases do you treat a year, who's going to be doing her treatment, can we talk to the doctor before we decide. Some places were annoyed by the questions, one place actually spent like 45 minutes on the phone with us.

Your mom's lucky to have you doing this research. Don't stress too much about picking "wrong" because honestly once you get her to someone good they'll know if something isn't working and can adjust. That's what happened with my brother.
Family
Oh man, the part about the doctor reading from a script really hit home because that's exactly what I'm worried about. Did the Nashville doctor end up making a difference in how your brother's treatment went? I'm trying to figure out if I'm being paranoid about this or if it's actually one of those things that really matters. And honestly it helps to hear from someone who actually did the drive thing because everyone keeps telling me to just pick the closest option.
Attorney Expert Response
This is one of the hardest calls families have to make and I've watched a lot of them go through it over the past two decades, so let me share what I've seen actually move the needle.

The specialist question is real. In pleural mesothelioma cases specifically, the volume of cases a thoracic oncologist has handled matters more than the hospital's general reputation. I've worked with families where a physician at a smaller regional facility had seen 40 or 50 pleural cases and produced better outcomes than a big-name center where mesothelioma was one of dozens of things they treated. That 6 hour drive... it may genuinely be worth it depending on what the numbers look like for that specific doctor.

A few things I'd actually ask when you call. How many mesothelioma cases does this physician personally treat per year, not the department, the physician. Whether they participate in any active clinical trials because stage III patients sometimes have access to options that aren't widely advertised. And whether they coordinate with other specialists as a team rather than in sequence because the sequencing of treatment can matter a lot.

The Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa published data a few years back showing that high-volume mesothelioma specialists had measurably different outcomes than generalists. Not a guarantee of anything but it's the kind of thing worth knowing before you decide.

On the logistics side, some families find that doing an initial consultation at the specialist center and then managing ongoing infusions locally can split the difference on the travel burden. Worth asking if that's possible.

Please do consult an attorney about your specific situation as well, because depending on where and when your mom was exposed, there may be resources available that could help with costs that insurance doesn't touch, including travel.

You're asking exactly the right questions. That matters more than people think.
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