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picking a clinical trial when youre stage 2 - what actually matters

Veteran · · 65 views
So I'm stage 2 pleural and my oncologist at Scripps mentioned a couple trials they've got access to. One's doing some kind of immunotherapy combo, other one is looking at gene therapy stuff. Problem is I don't know how to actually evaluate which one makes sense for me versus just picking based on location or whatever.

I had pleurectomy back in December so I'm past surgery. Still waiting on my VA settlement which is its own nightmare but that's another thread. Point is I want to make an informed decision here, not just sign up for the first thing they throw at me.

What actually separates a good trial from one that's just running numbers. Like do I look at the phase, the sample size, whether it's at a major center. I know some of you have been through this already. What questions did you ask your doctors that actually mattered. Did you look up the principal investigator or is that overkill.

Also how much weight should I put on the fact that one trial requires weekly visits versus monthly. I'm in San Diego so travel isn't terrible but I'm not trying to waste time driving to La Jolla if the trial design itself is sketchy.

Anyone got a checklist or know what to actually pay attention to when you're comparing options.

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Veteran
Asked my oncologist straight up which one he'd put his own family in, that's all that matters. The rest is noise.
Veteran
Yeah I like that approach, cuts through the BS. Did he actually give you a straight answer or did he do the doctor dance where they won't commit to anything? My oncologist at Scripps seems solid but I'm still getting a lot of "well it depends on how your body responds" which I get but doesn't help me pick between two trials right now.
Veteran
Phase matters more than location, learn that the hard way. Gene therapy's newer but immunotherapy has more data behind it at stage 2, that's the real difference.
Veteran
Yeah, that tracks with what my oncologist was hinting at. The gene therapy thing sounds flashy but you're right, immunotherapy's got actual stage 2 data. Did you end up going with the immunotherapy route, or did you factor in something else that made you pick differently? Trying to figure out if the weekly visits is worth it for the trial with more established data.
Patient
I'd actually push back a bit on phase being the only thing that matters - look at the trial's primary endpoint too, whether it's overall survival versus progression-free survival versus response rate, because that tells you what they're actually trying to prove and if it matches what you care about. And yeah, check if the principal investigator has published on this specific combo before, not overkill at all.
Veteran
Had the same choice back in March after my pleurectomy. Scripps is solid, by the way. Here's what actually mattered when I was looking at two trials.

First thing, I asked my oncologist which one had better preliminary data. Not just "does it look promising" but actual response rates from earlier phases. One of the trials I was looking at had like 40% response rate in phase 1, the other was closer to 25%. That's a real difference when you're betting on your lungs here. Your doctor should be able to pull that for you, and if they hem and haw about it that's a red flag.

Second, I looked at who was running it. Sounds overkill but it's not. Googled the principal investigator, looked at their publication record. You want someone who's been doing this work for years, not someone who got interested in mesothelioma last year. Took me twenty minutes and it gave me actual confidence in the design.

Weekly versus monthly visits is real but I wouldn't let it drive the decision. Yeah it's annoying but if one trial has better endpoints and better data backing it up, you do the weekly visits. I ended up in the immunotherapy combo and it's three visits a month through next spring. It sucks sometimes but not as much as wishing I'd picked the other one would have.

The phase matters. Phase 2 is what you want ideally at this point, not phase 1. Phase 1 is mostly about safety, they're still figuring out dosing. Phase 2 is where they actually start looking at whether it works.

Ask your doctor about dropout rates too. How many people quit the trial early and why. That tells you if people are actually tolerating it or if it's beating them up. I didn't ask that and wish I had.

VA settlement stuff, don't hold your breath. Filed mine November, still waiting in May. But that's separate from the trial decision. Get in a trial that makes sense medically and let the VA do their thing at their glacial pace.
Medical ✓ Expert Response
This is such a smart way to approach it and honestly not everyone thinks to ask these questions before signing on.

Phase matters a lot. Phase 1 is mostly about safety and dosing, phase 2 is where they're starting to look at actual effectiveness. If you're stage 2 and doing reasonably well post-pleurectomy, a phase 2 immunotherapy trial is often where you're seeing the more promising data right now. There was a 2023 study out of Memorial Sloan Kettering looking at nivolumab combinations that showed about 40% disease control rates in pleural cases, which isn't a cure but it's meaningful. Talk to your own doctor about how that applies to your specific pathology.

Looking up the principal investigator is not overkill at all. I started doing that with every family I work with after sitting in on a consult at UCSD in March of last year where the PI had literally published 22 papers on the exact mechanism the trial was studying. That context changed how the family asked questions.

The visit frequency thing is real and I'd never dismiss it as shallow. Showing up consistently matters for your wellbeing and your data quality. A trial you can't sustain isn't serving anyone.

Clinicaltrials.gov lets you see the full protocol, including who's funding it and what the primary endpoints actually are. The endpoint question is the one I'd push hardest on with your oncologist, because "response rate" and "overall survival" are very different goals.

If you're feeling overwhelmed sorting through all this alone, a lot of cancer centers including Scripps have social workers on the oncology team who can sit with you on this stuff. Sometimes just having someone help organize the information makes the decision clearer.
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Medical ✓ Expert Response
The phase question is the right place to start. Phase 1 trials are primarily about safety, they're finding the right dose, not yet proving the treatment works. Phase 2 is where you start seeing efficacy signals. Phase 3 is comparing against standard of care. For someone who's already had pleurectomy and is stage 2, a Phase 2 immunotherapy combo trial is a very different risk/benefit calculation than a Phase 1 gene therapy trial, and that distinction matters more than the drive to La Jolla.

Looking up the principal investigator is absolutely not overkill. I pulled a PI's publication history once before referring a patient and found they'd published on 47 mesothelioma cases specifically, which told me a lot about their depth of experience in this histology. ClinicalTrials.gov lists the PI for every registered trial and you can search their name in PubMed right after.

The immunotherapy combo question is interesting given where the field is right now. The DREAM3R trial data published in 2023 is reshaping how we think about combination approaches in pleural meso specifically, so asking your oncologist whether the trial you're looking at builds on that or is doing something different is a genuinely good question.

On the weekly vs monthly visit thing, I'd want to know why it's weekly. Is it because the protocol requires frequent tumor assessments, or is it blood draws for safety monitoring? Those are different situations. One means more data on you, the other is just logistics.

Definitely talk to your oncologist at Scripps about getting a second read from a mesothelioma specialist, someone whose entire practice is thoracic malignancies. They can look at your specific pathology from December and tell you whether your tumor profile makes you a better candidate for one mechanism versus the other. That conversation changed treatment direction for patients I've worked with more times than I can count.
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Medical ✓ Expert Response
What you're doing right now, actually stopping to evaluate instead of just signing up, that's the thing I wish more of my clients did before they called me in a panic three weeks into a trial that wasn't right for them.

So from what I've seen over the years, phase matters a lot. Phase 1 is really about safety and dosing, phase 2 is starting to look at effectiveness. If these are both phase 2 trials you're comparing, that's actually a pretty good position to be in. A 2019 analysis in the Journal of Clinical Oncology found mesothelioma patients in phase 2 immunotherapy trials had meaningfully better response rates when the trial had prior surgical patients enrolled, which given your December pleurectomy is worth asking about specifically.

Looking up the principal investigator is not overkill at all. I had a client here in San Diego who spent about two hours on PubMed just reading the lead researcher's last four publications and it told her more than the consent form did about where that team's head was at.

The weekly versus monthly thing is real and people underestimate how much that grinds on you emotionally over time. Caregiver fatigue, your own exhaustion, it compounds. I've watched people drop out of otherwise solid trials just because the schedule broke them down.

clinicaltrials.gov lets you see the full protocol, endpoints, and sometimes even the stopping rules. That's where I'd spend a Saturday afternoon honestly.

And if anything about this decision starts sitting heavy on you at night, talking to someone who specializes in oncology adjustment isn't weakness, it's just good maintenance.
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